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Friday 9 September 2011

Lee Kuan Yew’s ‘below the the belt’ answer


~by: Ghui~
Education Minister Heng Swee Keat and 1,700 students and faculty members had gathered in NTU’s main auditorium to hear Mr Lee Kuan Yew give his take on the way forward for Singapore (see HERE).
Singaporean Joan Sim, a PhD student at Nanyang Technological University’s (NTU) School of Biological Sciences posed the following question to Mr Lee:
“Given the big influx of immigrants here in a short time, and a dilution of the national identity, what can we do to create a sense of belonging and foster social cohesiveness?”
She had expected Mr Lee to ask her questions as well but the questions he asked her took her by surprise.
He wanted to know how old she was. When she replied that she was twenty-seven, he asked if she was married. In response to her reply in the negative, he asked when she would finish her PHD and calculated that she would be twenty-nine when done.
He then proceeded to ask if she had a boyfriend. Her negative answer led Mr Lee to draw the crowd’s attention to the female biological clock and a woman’s child-bearing years stating that after 35, the dangers of having children with Down syndrome rises.
He concluded their question and answer session with advising her not to waste time and wishing her well in both her PHD and getting a boyfriend.
While the issues of a declining birth rate and immigration are linked, I am not sure that one is a direct causation or effect of the other. In that sense, Mr Lee totally evaded Ms Sim’s question. The government has defended its policy on immigration by stating that foreigners are needed to boost the declining birthrates but is that a long term solution?
Secondly, Ms Sim was not questioning the policy of using immigration to boost declining birth rates; she was merely asking how to build social cohesiveness. There was simply no need to embarrass her by pointing out that she was single in front of an audience. 
Besides, it almost seems like he is blaming her and all other singletons for the need for immigration!
There are many reasons for Singapore’s declining birth rate. It cannot be simplified into young people wasting time and not getting married.
In our increasingly busy lives, the business of finding a suitable partner is a complex one. Finding time to meet people is a problem that should not be underestimated. One may argue that we should learn to prioritise but that is so much easier said than done.
The cost of living in Singapore is increasing and people need to work hard to ensure that they are not left behind. Working hours are long and bosses do not necessarily understand the concept of work life balance.
When you are low in the packing order, you tend not to be the first one out of the door so suffice to say, you will spend most of your twenties in the office.
Even if people have partners and get married, they may not have children until they are in their 30s for the same reasons cited above. So in reality, the root causes of the problem are the need for greater work life balance and policies aimed at reducing the costs of living in Singapore.
Using immigrants to boost declining birthrates is but a short term measure that does not deal with the problem head on. Immigrants may not stay and even if they do, immigrants will age as well. It is therefore not sustainable.
At best, immigration can be used as a potential tool for slowing — as opposed to overcoming — population ageing.
The issues of marriage and family are deeply personal ones. For Ms Sim to have been asked these personal questions in front of a crowded room by a well-known politician, who is credited by many to be the architect of modern Singapore, must have been extremely uncomfortable. I feel for her.
Her question to Mr Lee was a fairly straight forward one which deserved a direct answer without bringing in her marital status. Ms Sim’s marital status has absolutely no bearing on fostering social cohesiveness. Nor is it her fault for not having a boyfriend or not being married. These are but side issues to the bigger problems of a declining birthrate due to increasing costs of living and longer working hours.
Singling her out is irrelevant to her question. 
It is also below the belt and had the dual effect of evading a direct question and shaming her for being brave enough to ask a valid question.

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146 Responses to “Lee Kuan Yew’s ‘below the the belt’ answer”

  1. “In my opinion LKY gave her some very good advice. Whether she takes it or not, it is her prerogative. Every parent wants what is best for their children but the parent cannot control whether the child listens or takes up the advice.”
    ———————–
    Yes I totally agree. A question turned into a good ‘advice’.
    Maybe we can twist it further by saying that he gave the impression that he forgot the question and thought that the girl was asking for his advice.
    Every parent wants what is best for their children but the parent cannot control whether the child wants to be a part-time flatterer or full-time sycophant.
    No one is blind. It is a matter of interest and how it benefits you as a citizen.
    We can explain and argue. If a good explanation does not help your own case but the other side, simply ignore it.
  2. never assume oneself to be omniscient and infallible,
    if Bill Gates met an old man in 1974 who advised him to study hard, get a government job and get married instead of dropping out of Harvard we would have no Microsoft.
  3. So many damn PAP whores here, too few dicks!
  4. Simply put, the PAP Govt. never had nation building at heart. While they were throwing money at all kinds of wasteful projects, multi-million dollar ministerial salaries,generous budgets for the PA, self-aggrandizement projects like Biopolis and Fusionopolies, wasteful over-spending on defense, etc., they refused to spend money on encouraging marriage and family raising, which was costly but necessary in the long term. There were and still are many married couples who love children and would have many more if the govt. could provide incentives such as free university education, etc.
  5. infact LKY should have a good advice on social cohesion rather than telling a young woman what to do for her life,it is PAP who has always use Education results TO degrade singaporeans when we never acheive good results
  6. To be fair, if all singletons are to just pursue career goals and neglect child bearing duties, we are doomed. The gov gave sinksporeans some years to up the birth rate with some sweet candies lined up. Too bad, didnt work. Its always easy to push child bearing to all sorts of push factors. If u wanna give birth, u will. Ask britney, ask maddie, ask minah.
  7. supporter of PAP but...9 September 2011
    History has shown that LKY and PAP are quite an incompetent lot. The only thing they are competent in is the blame game.
    The most disgraceful of the lot now is poor LKY. Senile but still wants to hog the limelight. His lack of basic understanding of questions and his persistent talking nonsense is putting PAP in a very bad light.
  8. That’s his style. He answers a question with a question. He has used this tactic many times.
    More immigrants to boost population? Why don’t you come up with policies that encourage
    larger families like lowering the cost of HDB flats, lowering the cost of living, etc. Surely you
    can come up with more ideas since you are all so talented. Letting more immigrants in is a
    callous and thoughtless simplistic solution to the problem. Don’t accumulate our reserve
    for the sake of increasing the reserve, spend some on your citizens, don’t think progress above all else,don’t make profit the top priority for the public services such as transportation, health, etc. When you formulate a policy think carefully of the potential negative impact on your citizens. Don’t blindly chase after increasing our GDP. It dosent benefit the ordinary citizen.
    If the GDP increases by 15%, will my salary increase by the same amount? Reply .
  9. Permanent Head Damage9 September 2011
    Two problems here. LKY dodging question or misunderstanding question, in my opinion is less disturbing than his failure to understand why Sg women are NOT doing career & children simultaneously or choosing the latter first.
    In Sg, unless you have rich parents sponsoring house & car (need gd transport to save time run errands & ferry children around), it is not possible to do PHD & raising children at the same time.
    You try to break social mobility first, then you think of having children. If you don’t get qualifications & put career first but choose to have children, your children get stuck in the lower end of society so it is no use producing them anyway.
  10. Don’t you guys get it?
    Ex MM being who he is cannot do or say things the way
    commoners (digits, dafts, dogs, etc) like us do. This
    is his way of proposing to the very shell-shocked Ms Sim.
    Good luck, Fart!
  11. WHEW! Am I glad that he sent Phoney Tony to be the President instead of assuming the office himself. What a global disgrace he would be to our little red dot…!!!
  12. I remember MM Lee having an unmarried daughter, and he dares lectures someone else to get married. Put your house in order first before you criticize others
  13. Quitter Emeritus9 September 2011
    Ok, let’s see, J Sim is pursuing phD at 27 got no boyfriend and possibly a 5 year window to bear children if not there will be medical complication, so need to import foreigners to boost the fertility rate and to do what Sim “failed” to do or deemed failed to do…
    Is that a brilliant answer? So that is why PRC meimei, filipino maids, viet girls, indian gals come here in the droves for reproduction activities, not just a red dot, a red light dot?
  14. wat tokin u?9 September 2011
    Hey Ah Fart, before lecturing others go home and lecture your own dotter, OK?
  15. Same-old same-old that he applied on Ken Quek and countless others.
    What a fraud!
  16. disappointed9 September 2011
    During the PE election i was so happy because i thought old fart had ‘disappeared’ for good. One wondering maybe he was bedridden, but sad now cos he is still kicking and talking crap to the ‘children’ at NTU. When will my wish come through? My Champagne bottle is going to expire, have been keeping for almost 10 years.
  17. is it possible?9 September 2011
    Realhardtruth 9 September 2011
    Another pathetic article you so very frequent see in this online site that is really long on accusations and totally short on sound observations and balanced comments. And most of what you read in the forum are much worse than pathetic. They are childishly personal, largely gibberish and mostly dirt. I suppose we have to cater for all and this site caters to people whose only intellectual skill is trash talk. Online sites like this must rid itself of mean mouths and blank heads if it want to salvage it’s fast disappearing credibility.
    ————–
    U mean Ah Fart proposing to Ms Sim din happen? Or he dun have a single daughter?
  18. Chin Tu Lang9 September 2011
    What MM did was to answer a question with a question and without touching on the real issue raised by the student.
    Perhaps, he did not has an answer for the audiences
  19. Simple… LKY is losing it. His mind isn’t what it’s used to be.
  20. “Given the big influx of immigrants here in a short time, and a dilution of the national identity, what can we do to create a sense of belonging and foster social cohesiveness?”
    The lady questioned about what Singaporeans can do to create a sense of still belonging to Singapore, though indirectly, she’s saying that Singapore is too crowded with foreigners & that’s overwhelming locals’ numbers.
    The old fart replied by indirectly telling her that foreigners are needed here to make babies if locals can’t do it.
    The question & problem is that we have too many foreigners in this small, overcrowded island. Yet the old fart still insist babies have to be made on this island, by foreigners or otherwise, without sparing a thought to the issue of overpopulation or overwhelming of this island by foreigners.
    Why should Singaporeans listen to this old fart & make babies for his own agenda unquestioningly? Nobody has the right to force his own ideals upon others. You think locals are not making babies & you need foreigners to do it, don’t shove the blame down Singaporeans’ throats. We have the right not to carry out your ideals unquestioningly.
  21. It is very expensive to have children in Singapore nowadays. If he wants more children in Singapore, the government should provide free education until graduation from university and more incentives or allowances for families with children.
  22. doppelganger9 September 2011
    Someone wrote in these columns that he is surprised that sociologists in Singapore do not make any comments on LKY bringing in 2 million foreigners and more coming. This massive addition to the local population certainly changes the character of the nation.What is most salient is that the very genotype of the people is changed and the genetic history of the coming together of a people Malay, Chinese, Indian in the setting of this island is forever erased.Sociologist would have a field day tracing the consequences of such a real live experiment, never seen anywhere else in the world. But our sociologists and anthropologists are mum. Scared stiff of the regime if they chance to make comments not appreciated by the regime.
  23. silly old fart9 September 2011
    After the stupid mistake policy stop at two you think we should listen to him? Once bitten twice shy, never ever listen to his rubbish speech.
  24. Stevenkhorfather9 September 2011
    Lky needs to be “replaced” soon.
    He should attempt by citing examples from his own gangs like Amy, TPl, or the H/p tweet queen !
    Stupid and arrogant man indeed !
  25. So that old man Lee refused to answer her question but instead insulted her? Can an MP do that and in front of the Education Minister? Have we degenerated to that low low level of social culture?
    I feel sad for Singaporeans! I don’t know what education is for – to get insulted? What is the Education Minister for? To bring students to have them get insulted?
    Come on enough is enough!
  26. Listening to an Oldcock toking Cocks !
  27. And he is only a “kuching kurak” MP now only !
  28. Shame on Lee Kuan Yew for behaving like this!
  29. I’m glad Ms Sim didn’t stand up to the old cork or give him a tight slap across his cheek for his cheek. She would be spending time in the depths of Whitley Detention Centre, rotting away…
  30. It is with regrets that supreme leader Mr Lee Kuan Yew has lost his moral compass bearing by not answering Joan Sim’s simple question. LKY continues to be a strong supporter of converting more foreigners to be Singapore citizens. It is a pity our government ministers are leaving such explanations to LKY who is no longer in the Cabinet but yet seems to be representing the views of the Government.
  31. Ole lky and son and tt and cronies live like emporers/kings of a monachy.
    No where else in the world, you have modern democracies paying so lavishly for the high lifestyle expenses of elected MPs or even ministers!
    Worse than british colonial days!!
  32. he and his party jointly with foreigners are raiding and raping our spore
  33. singaporemum9 September 2011
    before LKY utters a word, he should ask the same of his own daughter. he is a shameful disgrace!
  34. LKY is not as ready for battle as he was before. He is old and senile and cannot control withholding his “hard truths” as was before. He rather escape a battle then face it. He rather evade a question then face it.
    Besides this example in this article.
    Take the election as another example. The fact that the election committee disqualified the oppposition in the last GE was quite a relief for him. He is old and senile and he cannot walk so much anymore. During the period before the election, we can see the press photographs of him show him sitting/being ferry around on the golf car. The opposition were only late in their submission by just few minutes but was disqualified. LKY should said no problem, let them come and challenge me!
    But he did not do that. He is too old and cannot stand the rigours of a election campaign so he prefers the easy way to win.
    He is becoming quite incompetent and his brain functions are slowing at faster rate than he can accept. But he refuses to step down.
    In short LKY is quite an opportunist and a coward for not allowing the opposition to challenge him when he clearly has the power to do so.
    Definition of a coward -a person who shrinks from or avoids danger, pain, or difficulty.
  35. Maybe wife less people can import some women from China and make some babies, instead advising young ladies to get boy friends..Hey do you import boyfriends too..
  36. LKY is so out of touch in this political-correct world.
    He is still living in the 60s.
  37. kan_cheong spider9 September 2011
    Miss Sim is daft. she should have rebutted the old man why his daughter is also not married.
  38. Totally agree with the writer. A fair and balanced view. LKY avoided answering her question. He did not have to embarass her. Also, he insinuates not having a boyfirend to being not supportive of national foreign immigration policies – which is too simplistic, and also grossly unjust. People go through stages in their lives. Who is he to label her as ‘wasting her time’ while being single. He did not answer her question, period.
    Ms Sim can redirect the question back to LKY: ” Have you been a lady? Do you know hwta goes through a woman’s life at adolescence/ study/ young adult/working etc. stages? Some people get a boyfriend early. Some married early. Some get children, some do not. Some children dies before they do. Some get a boyfriend but ended up not maried to him. Some like your daughter never got married, despite being immensely talented. So, sir, what is the relevance to my original question: to create a sense of belonging and foster social cohesiveness??
  39. Johnny Jazz9 September 2011
    Well, he lost another vote for his party.
  40. The usual PAP cunning tactic of evading a pointed question by asking a question!!
  41. Shameless LKY9 September 2011
    LKY is not even an elected mp. He just use grc to bulldoze into parliament. Just an attention seeking idiot obsessed with his own ego. Instead of respect, he is on many people’s hate list. No solution just say “I don’t know”, don’t try to act intelligent. Or is he becoming a cheekopek? Wonder how he can scheme million dollars salary as a useless MM role and still don’t feel ashamed of himself.
  42. hahaha, oh dear, those who have not watch the dialogue should do so, the best bits are the parts on water issue with malaysia and his usual expert opinion on genetics.
  43. Wow, Seow Lee getting more and more SEOW!
  44. Perhaps we can set a ‘date joan sim’ facebook page, much like the curry page….onwards social cohesion!!!
  45. I used to hang on his every word, now I wish he just retire and keep quiet…
  46. I have a bottle of red from swiss that i still cannot open and enjoy it for several years already.
    Yew know y?

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