Why S’porean Indians will never integrate with imported Indians
July 21st, 2011 | 
Author: I am in my late 60s now. I believe I know India more than most Indians from India. Because I had traveled to almost every nooks of India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and etc in the course of my work in the last 40 years. In fact, I had studied in India for a couple of years – something unusual for a local Indian. And here are my observations.
Some times after the visit of China’s strongman Deng to Singapore, Lee started the sinicization of Singapore, which included the Speak Mandarin campaign, pinyin names and etc. The reality is the groundwork for flooding Singapore with PRCs is being deceitfully laid.
I reckon Devan Nair got wind of this which resulted in a clash between LKY and him. Sure, Devan drank a lot but Eddie Barker, Singapore’s first law minister, drank like fish too.
I reckon Devan Nair got wind of this which resulted in a clash between LKY and him. Sure, Devan drank a lot but Eddie Barker, Singapore’s first law minister, drank like fish too.
The post-Devan era was hell for local Indians.
The marginalization and persecution of local Indians was so great that many educated local Indians fled Singapore. The severity was as much as for each local Chinese who quit Singapore, there were 3 local Indians. It then became impossible to find locally educated Indian grooms for our locally educated Indian brides. Hence, our immigration policy had to be changed to allow Indians from India for marriage… these Indians from India, whether male or female, integrated well into our society simply because the gist is that if you are good enough to marry my daughter, you are good enough for Singapore.
The marginalization and persecution of local Indians was so great that many educated local Indians fled Singapore. The severity was as much as for each local Chinese who quit Singapore, there were 3 local Indians. It then became impossible to find locally educated Indian grooms for our locally educated Indian brides. Hence, our immigration policy had to be changed to allow Indians from India for marriage… these Indians from India, whether male or female, integrated well into our society simply because the gist is that if you are good enough to marry my daughter, you are good enough for Singapore.
Now, let’s look at the new import of Indians from India. They came simply because the number of PRC imports had to be balanced.
Hence, PAP started tweaking our demography. While PAP made a blunder in assuming that the PRC and local Chinese would blend well because of Mandarin as a common language and pinyin names, the import of Indians from India is premeditated and planned.
Hence, PAP started tweaking our demography. While PAP made a blunder in assuming that the PRC and local Chinese would blend well because of Mandarin as a common language and pinyin names, the import of Indians from India is premeditated and planned.
Since PAP knows rather well, in their diplomatic and political dealings with India, that it’s the Northern Indians in India who call the shots and also that almost all entrepreneurs and big businesses in India are Northerners, PAP focuses their efforts in the North.
However, the situation in India has changed over the past 10 years because now, no single political party can rule India and therefore, South Indian based political parties are now the kingmakers in the coalition of ruling political parties. Also, the old trading system has given way to the new knowledge-based industries which South India leads in businesses now. PAP’s plans are thus, antiquated.
So, PAP having relied on its antiquated social engineering, made exactly the same blunder with Indians from India as it did with PRC. PAP promoted North Indians to locals through its media propaganda machinery. Remember the channel 5 serial drama “Acha” – an India Indian marrying a local Chinese girl? A subtle indoctrination…
PAP then opened the floodgates for North Indian graduates. And all the wrong people came. PAP people like George Yeo, our ex-foreign minister, professed to know about India and Indians when it is a lot more complex than they can understand. Why?
Let me explain.
In the few thousand years of Indian history, the South has been known for its brain while the North for its brawn. Even in ancient India, Chānakya (Sanskrit: चाणक्य Cāṇakya) (c. 370–283 BCE) was an adviser to the first Maurya Emperor Chandragupta (c. 340–293 BCE), and generally was considered to be the architect of the Emperor’s rise to power. Chanakya was a South Indian. Even today, almost all IT industries, which the world recognizes India for, are in the South.
But most importantly, the Indianization of SEA thousands of years ago was entirely carried out by South Indians. Even Daruma (Bodhidharma), patriarch of Zen Buddhism in China and Japan, was a Tamil. Such is the connect between South India and SEA/Far East. Whereas for North India, historically and culturally, has always been in contact with the West and Middle East. Their eating habits, dressing, along with many other cultural traits, run similar.
Now, to get to the bottom of the matter as to why local Indians would never integrate with Indians from India, firstly, there is no common ground of shared poverty. This is unlike almost all early Singapore immigrants, whether Chinese or Indians, who came about precisely because of shared poverty.
Such integration is impossible since it’s like trying to club chickens and ducks together though both come under a single category of fowl. In short, try getting condo dwellers and three room HDB dwellers to integrate. Unless they share the same poverty, hardship or endeavor, like a stint in NS or schooling together, it’s hard for both local Indians and imported Indians to integrate.
Hence PAP’s integration policy is fundamentally flawed and integration would never happen. What PAP should avoid doing is to play GOD through social engineering. Even in India itself, the South and North are never integrated despite having a shared history of 5000 years. Perhaps LKY thinks he is a greater GOD than Brahma, Vishnu or Siva.
(NOTE: Even Indian GODs are generally divided between North and South. Lord Siva is the supreme GOD of South India whereas Vishnu is the supreme GOD of North India – Saivism vs Vaishnavism. Many wars in ancient India were fought along this line.)
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A LOCAL INDIAN
A LOCAL INDIAN
* This comment was first posted on the thread “Help ‘integrate’ new citizens from India – PM Lee” (http://www.temasekreview.com/2011/07/18/help-integrate-new-citizens-from-india-pm-lee/).
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1.They like to congregate and mix with their own-evident from enclaves in East Coast, punggol/Senkang,Simei,Yishun and more.Most divided by their respective state lingua malaylam,Tamil,Hindi, Marathi and telgu/Karnada. Most of the indian elites and FTs are hindi speaking, with Malayalam and telgu next and last Tamil speaking.
2.They cannot believe be blamed on strong caste and ethnic dialect values and division as these are inbuilt and cultivated in them from young and by segregated communities.recently FT group tried to petition and lobby to add Hindi as main Singaporean Indian Language opposed to our Tamil and believe still trying to when it is not our main four native Singaporean language.
3.Having a Singapore PR or IC-new citizenship means nothing on integration or any change in theri views. Such views exist in England, USA, Canada and other locations these Indian FTS have migrated to or countries they work in. i have lived and seen the same old disunited and division by castes,languages and culture/religion within these communities.
4.But they are good in banding together within their own and work on collective agenda and movements as seen in Singapore neighbourhoods where they even have expanded into many RCs and community clubs, political party-PAP volunteer groups to safeguard their interests and objectives to raise their cause successfully.
5.I can only speak from my area of Punngol where they have balloned into various Indian Ethnic enclaves and groups. Even Children’s playgrounds are evident by such division and disunited grouping.
SIngaporean (Chinese, malay, Indian (SG born) and Eurasion) familes have stopped using the playgrounds in Punngols when majority of Indian FT children congregate and group to play as too much to handle and too many of them.Even the next biggest foreign group of Filipinos scale very low in numbers Vs the Indian FT groups esp . in our Punngol/Sengkang neighbourhood.
6.Theyhave formed groups to educate and assist their own in advising our to buy falts within the area and concerns like bringing their families to Singapore (which is of course very easy based on PAP’s very loose and pro foreigner policies).
7.The same group have difficulties doing they same in countries like Australia and Canada which does not easily award citizenship and allow easy access to local professions and jobs like nursing, medical (Doctors), legal and so on. New FTs and migrants have to sit through stringent tests to qulaify for employment, and work in stages before getting licenses, approvals to qualify as practitioners and doctors or nurses within their country.
This is to protect the interests of local AUstralians and Canadians Vs Cheaper Foreign Talents (Which on the contrary have failed miserablely by loose policies in favour of easier qualification and settling down of foreigner in Singapore because if our pro foreigner government).
8.The indian communities in Australia have in numerous occasions caused racial riots or been the cause of it because of their same disunited, caste and ethnic based baggages from India they bring to the country as seen in news recently. Their actions have caused anti- Foreign Indian sentiments by local Auzzie people which have become bloody clashes
9.In Singapore this same attitude continues and harms SIngapore and Singaporeans’ unity and years of living together.
The foreign Indians have also stereo type views of our own local Indians-mainly Tamil speaking commmunities from Southern Indian roots and Malay Muslim Communities. They treat them as low class, menial worker lots and have many occasion ridiculed or passed negative comments about them within their own lot. Hard to avoid if you know their dialects and lingua which they seem to think not all Singaporeans know.
10.The very basic problem is The government in their hurry to fill the country with cheap foreign talents via India Indians have failed miserablely to prepare, train/educate or counsel them properly to enable them to live and work in Singapore with other races and Singaporeans by forcing them to leave their caste and divisional attitudes and baggages outside the shores of Singapore.
13.This problem is unique with Indian Foreign talents Vs other Foreigners like filipinoes or China (Mainlanders) as they don’t have divisional and caste/lingua issues like Indians.
14.No Point PM Lee Hsien Loong and ruling govt make Mother Statements on integration when these Indian Foreign talents do not want to and are very risks to our peace, unity between races and relgion if not counselled as their views and mindset if different.
15.Of course there are some very good indian foreign talents who have immersed with Singaporean culture, people, kicked out their sterotype caste views and even can get along with Long Indians by trying, They do exist but very very few Vs the majority who do not want to.
16.Worst They have openly said of using Singapore’s pro foreigner and loose policies to their advantage bu buying homes, educating their young and enjoying their careers short term and later use here as a launching platform to USA or Europe once better jobs and opportunities are firmed up there. None want their kids to enlist in our NS and who not hesitate to send them back upon nearing enlistment age regardless after benefiting from Singapore Taxpayers’s money from Baby bonus, school programmes and more.
Note-So Govt listen up as this remains a big problem and nothing about integrating when tehse people will not and do not want to at all.
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But for Sri Lanka Indian, you can trust them w/o worry.
Very little common ground.
The one that are really genuine are the one on work permit.
PR FT think they are the special one like our country depend on them.
They are the one who takes away our PMET job.
The gahmen is closing one eye and not listening.
Come GE 2016, you know what to do.